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		<title>I Am Discontinuing Telvee</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Telvee was originally a Facebook app. It was Burak Büyükdemir&#8216;s idea to create a virtual coffee reading app. Rakı Sofrası was super popular then. We have quickly built and deployed and getting some good results. But the competition wasn&#8217;t fair. When I decided to give this software a fair chance to succeed on its very [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telvee was originally a Facebook app. It was <a href="http://burakbuyukdemir.com/">Burak Büyükdemir</a>&#8216;s idea to create a virtual coffee reading app. <a href="http://apps.facebook.com/rakisofrasi/">Rakı Sofrası</a> was super popular then. We have quickly built and deployed and getting some good results. But the competition wasn&#8217;t fair.</p>

<p>When I decided to give this software a fair chance to succeed on its very own domain the only question in my head was; will it pass the test of users? It doesn&#8217;t really matter what you have intended the users do with your application. What matters, first, is what they think they&#8217;d like to do with it and then whether or not they actually use it.</p>

<p>So I tried and I failed. Two main reasons of this failure are; technical deficiencies and the special way of interaction coffee reading is. Technical deficiencies is the easy one. I couldn&#8217;t devote enough time for telvee, especially lately. As a result it doesn&#8217;t even have basic stuff like e-mail changing or account deletion. This is 100% my fault. The second reason however is more complicated and there was not much I could do about it. Except one thing I will tell you at the end of this post.</p>

<p>Telvee didn&#8217;t pass the user&#8217;s test mainly because coffee reading is somewhat private. It&#8217;s more of a 1-to-1 communication, while all social applications<sup>1</sup> are designed for 1-to-many communication. This was disastrous not only because of the lack of viral growth but also because of the reluctance of users to interact with other users.</p>

<div id="attachment_383" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://www.muhuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/muhuk-92.jpeg"><img src="http://www.muhuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/muhuk-92-300x69.jpg" alt="An example image of coffee remains telvee generates" title="An example image of coffee remains telvee generates" width="300" height="69" class="size-medium wp-image-383" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">An example image of coffee remains telvee generates</p></div>

<p>I would like to thank everybody who participated and I hope you had some fun playing with it. Telvee domain will soon redirect to this post and I will probably not renew it next time.</p>

<p>I won&#8217;t be starting a new experiment soon. I will spend most of my time on my work. Hopefully I will be spending a little more time on free software projects. By the way I would like to note that Telvee has spawned a couple of Django apps: <a href="http://github.com/muhuk/django-inviting">django-inviting</a> &amp; <a href="http://github.com/muhuk/django-simple-friends">django-simple-friends</a>.</p>

<p>Oh, and the thing I could do better about user experience was to be more agile. I should have either fixed the problem quickly or failed fast. I have no regrets though. This was a unique experience and I have learned a lot.</p>

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<p><strong>1</strong>: Yes, even the e-mail system and dating sites are designed for 1-to-many communication primarily in mind.</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[I have been working on telvee for a few months. To be precise gitk tells the initial commit was at 2009-06-24 16:20:38. I have been meaning to write about it but just couldn&#8217;t find the time (or should I say couldn&#8217;t drag my lazy ass to do it). Anyway. I have marked version 0.3 for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been working on <a href="http://www.telvee.com">telvee</a> for a few months. To be precise <code>gitk</code> tells the initial commit was at <code>2009-06-24 16:20:38</code>. I have been meaning to write about it but just couldn&#8217;t find the time (or should I say couldn&#8217;t drag my lazy ass to do it). Anyway. I have marked version 0.3 for telvee today and here it is.</p>

<p>Telvee is a social toy built around the idea of coffee grounds reading. No, it is not a fortunetelling application. Telvee is intentionally dumb in that sense. It generates an image of the remains inside a coffee cup. Looking at this image, users write fortunes for other users&#8217; cups. This is the basic idea.</p>

<p>What if you don&#8217;t know anything about coffee reading? Well, we have a 12 step program that&#8230; No, no. If you don&#8217;t have proper coffee reading skills just make something up. Telvee is after all nothing more than <strong>a social toy</strong>. I am very passionate about coffee reading. I can&#8217;t tell a fortune. But I can drink the coffee, turn the cup and listen to my fortunes. This has worked pretty well for me in real life. We&#8217;ll see how it works out on the Internet when telvee is launched.</p>

<p>As you might have guessed telvee is a Django project. I am happy to work on a well organized, clean and well tested (91% coverage) codebase.</p>

<h3>What Works?</h3>

<p>Basically all the main functions are in place:</p>

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<li>Cup image generated <big>&#x2714;</big></li>
<li>You can write fortunes <big>&#x2714;</big></li>
<li>You can moderate fortunes (but blocking is broken) <big>&#x2714;</big>

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<li>Deleting, recovering, liking, unliking&#8230;</li>
</ul></li>
<li>You can write comments <big>&#x2714;</big></li>
<li>You can delete comments (but blocking is broken) <big>&#x2714;</big></li>
<li>Friending works <big>&#x2714;</big></li>
<li>You can block users (but it doesn&#8217;t have any effect for now, hence broken) <big>&#x2714;</big></li>
<li>Invitations work (but, currently hidden from testers) <big>&#x2714;</big></li>
<li>Account management works (but, incomplete) <big>&#x2714;</big></li>
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<h3>What Needs To Be Done?</h3>

<p>Aside from critical functions I haven&#8217;t thought of:</p>

<ul>
<li>A blog</li>
<li>Groups</li>
<li>Improvements on many pages including homepage</li>
<li>Django goodies that has little to do with frontend experience.</li>
</ul>

<h3>When Will It Be Finished?</h3>

<p>Probably never. But I would like to initiate a proper beta this year. And then launch as soon as possible, maybe before summer. It is currently tested by a tiny group of people. I will start sending invites as soon as I decide it&#8217;s reasonably embarrasing.</p>

<p>If you would like to try telvee; please leave your e-mail at <a href="http://www.telvee.com">http://www.telvee.com</a>.</p>


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