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		<title>By: Çağatay Çallı</title>
		<link>http://www.muhuk.com/2009/04/what-youth-needs-is-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Çağatay Çallı</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In my opinion, culture and politics are entangled with each other.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When you don&#039;t convey up-to-date information using a language, that language becomes inefficient and eventually useless.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Language also affects the way we think, so when we don&#039;t use our language, we&#039;re indeed changing our original style of thinking, we&#039;re changing our culture.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Additionally, there&#039;s a difference between using a technical jargon and teaching. Italian or Latin words may serve as good shortcuts, but for a newcomer things will be different. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Teaching materials should serve as a bridge that should be crossed before using technical jargon. To use the jargon, first you learn the jargon. You do not start explaining things by &quot;allegro&quot;, you first state that it&#039;s 120-168 bpm.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I respect your language preference but I don&#039;t believe it&#039;s always a good decision. There may be occasions where it would be better to use English or another language, but I believe this case (I mean my criticism about this blog) is not one of them.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, culture and politics are entangled with each other.</p>

<p>When you don&#8217;t convey up-to-date information using a language, that language becomes inefficient and eventually useless.</p>

<p>Language also affects the way we think, so when we don&#8217;t use our language, we&#8217;re indeed changing our original style of thinking, we&#8217;re changing our culture.</p>

<p>Additionally, there&#8217;s a difference between using a technical jargon and teaching. Italian or Latin words may serve as good shortcuts, but for a newcomer things will be different. </p>

<p>Teaching materials should serve as a bridge that should be crossed before using technical jargon. To use the jargon, first you learn the jargon. You do not start explaining things by &#8220;allegro&#8221;, you first state that it&#8217;s 120-168 bpm.</p>

<p>I respect your language preference but I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s always a good decision. There may be occasions where it would be better to use English or another language, but I believe this case (I mean my criticism about this blog) is not one of them.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Efe Göktoğan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Efe Göktoğan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a mechanical engineer I use computers heavily, yet, I am not a coder. My job also requires technical English of a different kind. While there is not much written in English about my topics, I never fall into the illusion of people writing in Turkish either. There is not a platoon of people &quot;choosing&quot; to write in Turkish for a greater good. As far as I can scan, the same goes for coding. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also like to meet with travelers from abroad. And when I am with them I force myself to talk with other Turkish friends in English. Because that&#039;s polite and welcoming. As far as the analogy goes I believe the same goes for the web.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Any people contributing to the human knowledge can share it anyway they like. Also there is the technical traditions: medical science runs in Latin, Musical terms run in Italian, Turkish law run in Ottoman. If you are willing to act against the hegemony of English language please do it in a wider and political sense. Because the Anglo-Saxon cultural hegemony can not be reversed by writing in Turkish, it requires a much wider field of resistance to have any effect.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a mechanical engineer I use computers heavily, yet, I am not a coder. My job also requires technical English of a different kind. While there is not much written in English about my topics, I never fall into the illusion of people writing in Turkish either. There is not a platoon of people &#8220;choosing&#8221; to write in Turkish for a greater good. As far as I can scan, the same goes for coding. </p>

<p>I also like to meet with travelers from abroad. And when I am with them I force myself to talk with other Turkish friends in English. Because that&#8217;s polite and welcoming. As far as the analogy goes I believe the same goes for the web.</p>

<p>Any people contributing to the human knowledge can share it anyway they like. Also there is the technical traditions: medical science runs in Latin, Musical terms run in Italian, Turkish law run in Ottoman. If you are willing to act against the hegemony of English language please do it in a wider and political sense. Because the Anglo-Saxon cultural hegemony can not be reversed by writing in Turkish, it requires a much wider field of resistance to have any effect.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Atamert Ölçgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atamert Ölçgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Özgür: Yes, I am oversensitive and childlike sometimes… Oh, but the ignorance is permanent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OTOH seeing you guys being so cool-headed and grown up about this is very inspiring. You obviously know what you&#039;re doing.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Özgür: Yes, I am oversensitive and childlike sometimes… Oh, but the ignorance is permanent.</p>

<p>OTOH seeing you guys being so cool-headed and grown up about this is very inspiring. You obviously know what you&#8217;re doing.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ozgur Oktay</title>
		<link>http://www.muhuk.com/2009/04/what-youth-needs-is-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozgur Oktay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, Yazboz is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; another duplicate of word association games. Yazboz has an original user interface and the feature set is much richer than the mentioned sites. Also, none of these sites share data with the community. We have built Yazboz not for gaining commercial success, but with the best of intentions for serving researchers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We have used technologies such as hadoop, lucene and lingpipe, tagged as &quot;exotic&quot; probably out of ignorance. The underlying frameworks based on these technologies has given us scalability and flexibility. We are benefiting from these well-tested frameworks in the development of our next project.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mud throwing at someone&#039;s work just because you don&#039;t like the response you get to an unrelated query: Not very mature, eh?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ozgur Oktay - Yazboz co-author&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Yazboz is <em>not</em> another duplicate of word association games. Yazboz has an original user interface and the feature set is much richer than the mentioned sites. Also, none of these sites share data with the community. We have built Yazboz not for gaining commercial success, but with the best of intentions for serving researchers.</p>

<p>We have used technologies such as hadoop, lucene and lingpipe, tagged as &#8220;exotic&#8221; probably out of ignorance. The underlying frameworks based on these technologies has given us scalability and flexibility. We are benefiting from these well-tested frameworks in the development of our next project.</p>

<p>Mud throwing at someone&#8217;s work just because you don&#8217;t like the response you get to an unrelated query: Not very mature, eh?</p>

<p>Ozgur Oktay &#8211; Yazboz co-author</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Çağatay Çallı</title>
		<link>http://www.muhuk.com/2009/04/what-youth-needs-is-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>Çağatay Çallı</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Internet language is English&quot; is like saying &quot;Internet has a race&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Internet is supposed to connect &quot;everyone&quot;. But just me, you or English people. Internet is supposed to contain &quot;everything&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the future, when everyone builds intelligent systems from existing data on the web, we will have a hard time accessing sufficient data to develop such systems because of your approach.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;In support of the first point; writing in English allows me to connect to a larger and better equipped community. So yes, instead of script kiddes who’ll never get past LAMP, I prefer a pythonista visiting my blog to at least get an idea of what kind of person I am.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This assumption is purely wrong. 
First, the fraction of script kiddies speaking English is larger. 
Second, if you don&#039;t show the way in Turkish, how can you expect those script kiddies to learn better? But oh, you just classified them as people &quot;who&#039;ll never get past LAMP&quot; right? The reason they may not get past LAMP is that new articles are not translated frequently enough. LAMP was cool years ago and Turkish youth had to stay there for years because of insufficient materials. They&#039;ll catch up when we throw good material to them.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Internet language is English&#8221; is like saying &#8220;Internet has a race&#8221;.</p>

<p>Internet is supposed to connect &#8220;everyone&#8221;. But just me, you or English people. Internet is supposed to contain &#8220;everything&#8221;.</p>

<p>In the future, when everyone builds intelligent systems from existing data on the web, we will have a hard time accessing sufficient data to develop such systems because of your approach.</p>

<p>&#8220;In support of the first point; writing in English allows me to connect to a larger and better equipped community. So yes, instead of script kiddes who’ll never get past LAMP, I prefer a pythonista visiting my blog to at least get an idea of what kind of person I am.&#8221;</p>

<p>This assumption is purely wrong. 
First, the fraction of script kiddies speaking English is larger. 
Second, if you don&#8217;t show the way in Turkish, how can you expect those script kiddies to learn better? But oh, you just classified them as people &#8220;who&#8217;ll never get past LAMP&#8221; right? The reason they may not get past LAMP is that new articles are not translated frequently enough. LAMP was cool years ago and Turkish youth had to stay there for years because of insufficient materials. They&#8217;ll catch up when we throw good material to them.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Atamert Ölçgen</title>
		<link>http://www.muhuk.com/2009/04/what-youth-needs-is-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Atamert Ölçgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I did make a mistake there, it&#039;s not &lt;code&gt;be Mr. Consultant&#039;s blog&lt;/code&gt;, fixed now. It was actually meant to be a complement.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How do know for sure those other duplicating applications don&#039;t use exotic technologies in the backend?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree 100% about the difficulties writing in Turkish. It is nice of you to take up the challenge. I just tried to explain my standpoint.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the matter of your accusation; it is practically not different at all from finger pointing. Because there are so few &lt;code&gt;big players&lt;/code&gt;, once you go plural it is inevitably finger pointing.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did make a mistake there, it&#8217;s not <code>be Mr. Consultant's blog</code>, fixed now. It was actually meant to be a complement.</p>

<p>How do know for sure those other duplicating applications don&#8217;t use exotic technologies in the backend?</p>

<p>I agree 100% about the difficulties writing in Turkish. It is nice of you to take up the challenge. I just tried to explain my standpoint.</p>

<p>On the matter of your accusation; it is practically not different at all from finger pointing. Because there are so few <code>big players</code>, once you go plural it is inevitably finger pointing.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Can</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;so you want to see examples. wait. obviously some wrong has been done. we are building a paper trail, and you might see this, in the form of a lawsuit.  yes, I have done some bashing in my article, but notice I have not pointed my finger at anyone. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, the views expressed were not only my views, but as well as others.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;about, your views in writing in english or not, I disagree. as a person who can understand technical english, I believe it is our duty to introduce or transmit information from english to turkish. it is also a big problem when you attempt to write a turkish text about computers, and can not find equivalent words for certain computer terms. My Turkish blog has attracted interest not only by programmers, but also by designers, artists, etc. Dont you think those non-techies should not be inspired by a nice data visualization?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And about other class of applications you mentioned: could you name which one uses a graph backed database, lucene, hadoop, and fuzzy filtering? We built yazboz as a technology playground for playing with the above technologies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And the general slant in your response: dont you think you are little over-aggressive? Your calling me &lt;code&gt;Mr. Consultant&lt;/code&gt; and the advice to others &lt;code&gt;learn decent english&lt;/code&gt; or you will be &lt;code&gt;Mr. Consultant&lt;/code&gt;&#039;s blog is an example of ad hominem attack, one of the seven logical fallacies. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) - I think it is you who should fix his post buddy.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so you want to see examples. wait. obviously some wrong has been done. we are building a paper trail, and you might see this, in the form of a lawsuit.  yes, I have done some bashing in my article, but notice I have not pointed my finger at anyone. </p>

<p>Also, the views expressed were not only my views, but as well as others.</p>

<p>about, your views in writing in english or not, I disagree. as a person who can understand technical english, I believe it is our duty to introduce or transmit information from english to turkish. it is also a big problem when you attempt to write a turkish text about computers, and can not find equivalent words for certain computer terms. My Turkish blog has attracted interest not only by programmers, but also by designers, artists, etc. Dont you think those non-techies should not be inspired by a nice data visualization?</p>

<p>And about other class of applications you mentioned: could you name which one uses a graph backed database, lucene, hadoop, and fuzzy filtering? We built yazboz as a technology playground for playing with the above technologies.</p>

<p>And the general slant in your response: dont you think you are little over-aggressive? Your calling me <code>Mr. Consultant</code> and the advice to others <code>learn decent english</code> or you will be <code>Mr. Consultant</code>&#8216;s blog is an example of ad hominem attack, one of the seven logical fallacies. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem</a>) &#8211; I think it is you who should fix his post buddy.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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